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Ineligible president cited as reason to kill Obamacare

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249709

BORN IN THE USA?

Ineligible president cited as reason to kill Obamacare

Lawsuit says it’s not law because ‘the one’ is only ‘statutory citizen’

Posted: January 11, 2011
8:33 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
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Read the rest at the above link

A lot of court cases have been filed alleging that Barack Obama never qualified to become president, and therefore is occupying the Oval Office as a matter of fact, but not of law. Now there’s a new case that argues since Obama is not legally president, his Obamacare takeover of the nation’s health-care industry should be voided.

“It is indisputable and not denied that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama Jr.’s father was a citizen of the British Commonwealth,” says the lawsuit, now pending before a federal judge who is awaiting word from the Justice Department on how its lawyers want to defend against the claims.

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14 Responses

  1. The citizenship of Obama’s father, or for that matter of both parents, has no effect on his Natural Born Citizen status.

    “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

    “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  2. Sorry, but you are wrong. The Founding Fathers did NOT use Black’s Law Dictionary to write the Constitutiion. A Natural Born Citizen is one born of two parents that are American Citizens on American soil. Otherwise, why would they write an exception to themselves in the Constitution?

    McCain was not eligible either. No matter what the Senate said. He was not born on American soil or an American military base.

    Gov. Jindal is not eligible because his parents were not citizens when he was born.

    You must be what they call an obot. Mr. Obama is NOT eligible to be President according to the Constitution and until he proves that he is, I refuse to dishonor the office of President by referring to him as President.

  3. Re: “A Natural Born Citizen is one born of two parents that are American Citizens on American soil. Otherwise, why would they write an exception to themselves in the Constitution?”

    They did not write an exception to those of them who were born in an American colony. They wrote the exception to allow for American leaders who were NOT born in American colonies. Two that were prominent were, of course, Alexander Hamilton, a naturalized citizen of New York who had been born on the British Caribbean island of Nevis, and James Wilson, a member of the Constitutional Convention, who had been born in Scotland.

    That is the reason for the grandfather clause. Quotations by Americans at the time show that they always used Natural Born to refer to the place of and never used it to refer to the parents of the citizen.

    Gov Jindal is also eligible because he was born in the USA.

    James Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, is certainly no Obot, and he wrote:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    McCain falls under the second of the two categories of Natural Born Citizen listed by Black’s Law Dictionary, a modern book that summarizes legal thinking. It said:

    “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

    Obama and Jindal fall into the first category, birth in the jurisdiction. McCain falls into the second category, birth abroad to two citizen parents. BUT, as Meese said, there is some doubt about McCain, since the birth abroad category was enacted by statute.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    As he says, McCain’s Natural Born status was “much less certain.” But he had no doubt whatever that EVERY US citizen who was born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen.

    And there have been numerous Supreme Court and lower court rulings. The key Supreme Court ruling was the Wong Kim Ark case, which held that every child born in the USA (except for the children of foreign diplomats) is Natural Born.

    Here are some examples:

    Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

    “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”

    Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

    “Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

  4. Perhaps you should check out http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/article-ii-natural-born-citizen-means.html
    This explains things much better than I ever could. But, just a note, our Founding Fathers relied on “The Law of Nations” when writing the Constitution, not English Common Law.

  5. I’ve checked out Puzo many times.

    Vattel was an expert on International Law. Elections and the selection of a president are domestic matters. Vattel recommended some things that the Constitution did not adopt, such as a state religion. Vattel is not mentioned even once in the Federalist Papers, not even once, while the common law is mentioned about twenty times.

    Puzo is wrong, and Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, is right.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  6. Then I have to assume that you approve of having a Subject of the country that we declared our independence from (Britian) sitting in the White House “acting” as the President of the USA.

  7. The US Constitution does not forbid convicted murderers from becoming president. The principle is clear, it aims to forbid as few people as possible so that WE THE PEOPLE can make a choice.

    So, obviously, it is not a question of who we would like or not. I would not like a convicted murderer to become president, but she or he is eligible.

    Obama, like all US citizens who were born in the USA, is eligible. His dual nationality (which lapsed) has no effect. In fact, Thomas Jefferson was a dual national of the USA and France at the time that he was president, having been made a full citizen of France (voting rights and right to run for office) by the French Revolutionary National Assembly.

    Meese is right:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    and you are wrong.

    Black’s Law Dictionary is right:

    “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

    and you are wrong

    The Wall Street Journal is right:

    “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning. ”

    and you are wrong.

  8. I am so sorry for you. You can not understand the Constitution or what our Founding Fathers did for us. Mr. Obama’s subjectship with England did NOT expire.
    A dual citizen is not eligible to be Commander in Chief of our military or President of the USA. Most people can understand except for those that lean towards anti-Constitutionalism.

    Mr. Obama was born a British Subject and is to this day a British Subject and is not qualified to be President of the USA. He needs to be tried for Treason to the Constitution and the proper sentence followed.

    So far, there has been no proof that he was even born in the USA. The fake Certificate of Birth proves nothing since one could be obtained by a relative. Also, the one that has been shone was “filed” but not accepted. Even the State Department won’t accept that for a passport.

    So far, Mr. Obama has not shown anything that proves he is qualified to be President.

    As for your quote from the Wall Steet Journal. they are obots and nothing they say on the subject can be believed, just like “Media Matters, Fight the Smears, Wekilinks (SP?) “.

    This is getting tiring. You refuse to accept the facts and would accept Mr. Obama if he was born to two citizens of Russia in Russia. Which he could have been for all anyone knows.

  9. Re: “A dual citizen is not eligible to be Commander in Chief of our military or President of the USA. ”

    Thomas Jefferson was a dual citizen when he was president.

    The US Congress voted to confirm Obama’s election UNANIMOUSLY. Not even one of the 535 members, mainly lawyers, believes that the US Constitution barred Obama from becoming president either because of his father’s nationality OR because of former dual nationality (which actually DID lapse).

  10. Re: “would accept Mr. Obama if he was born to two citizens of Russia in Russia. ”

    No. That would not fall under either of the criteria listed by Black’s Law Dictionary, which says:

    “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

    And it certainly would not fit under the main criterion listed by Edwin Meese, who said:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  11. Obama was born in Hawaii. His birth certificate is not fake. I am told that the former attorney general of Hawaii for the last four years was a conservative Republican. If he thought that there was anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, he could have subpoenaed the original and taken action. But he didn’t.

    The FACTS on Obama’s birth certificate were confirmed twice by the Republican officials in Hawaii and once by the Republican governor of Hawaii, and there is this witness, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii and writing home about it
    http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece

  12. Forget “Blacks”. It is meaningless as to when the Constitution was written.

    Jefferson was a citizen at the time the Constitution was ratified and thus falls under the grandfather clause.

    Mr. Obama’s birth certificate was “never” certified. The only comment was that they had seen the original. That could have been a birth certificate from Russia for all we know/

    A RINO in the governors office means nothing. The supposedly Republican governor never commented on the actual birth certificate. The COLB presented on the internet was proven a fake.

  13. Obama has shown the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. It is not forged. The McCain campaign checked on the allegations of forgery along with the allegations that Obama was born in Hawaii, and found them both false. The former attorney general of Hawaii for the last four years was a conservative Republican. If he thought that there was anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, he could have subpoenaed the original and taken action. But he didn’t. The facts on that birth certificate were confirmed repeatedly by members of the former Republican governor’s administration of Hawaii, and by the Republican governor herself. So say that she is a RINO; she still would not LIE for Obama, especially with a conservative attorney general who could prosecute her. And the facts on the birth certificate were also confirmed TWICE by the officials of the department of health and the department of vital records of Hawaii, who said first that there is an original birth certificate in the file and in the second confirmation that the document in the file VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.

  14. Cool post mate.

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